Pre, Mid, Post, lets talk. I will walk the plank and state that as a Bible believing baptist I am in a post trib position. At the last trump, where are we during the the first 6 ? Not to mention the seals. Do you believe there is a difference between the trib and Gods wrath ?

I believe that the Christians will be raptured before the 7 years of tribulation.

on what premis

P - Place of the church in the book of Revelation.
R - Removal of the restrainer
E - Exemption from the divine wrath
T - Twenty-four elders
R - Rapture of the Church versus the return of Christ
I - Imminence
B - Blessed hope.

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Narrow,
I thought you were pre-wrath. Have you moved or am I just mistaken? Moving is not wrong or bad, I was surprised at your statement that's all.

(Rapture)
Jesus coming FOR His Church. John 14:1-3, 1 Thess 4:14-17
Caught up with Him in the air 1 Thess 4:13-18
Christians taken first, unbelievers are left behind. 1 Thess 4:13-18
Purpose: To present the Church to Himself and to the Father 2 Cor 11:2, Rev. 19:6-9
MARRIAGE: Marriage of Lamb in heaven after the Rapture
Happens in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye (too fast for eyes to see) 1 Cor 15:52
Only Christians will see Him 1 John 3:2, 1 Cor 15:52
Jesus descends with a shout(for resurrection) 1 Thess 4:16
A resurrection takes place 1 Thess 4:13-18, 1 Cor 15:51-54
Can happen at any time Rev 3:3, 1 Thess 5:4-6
No angels are sent to gather (resurrected people don't need angels to help them)
Spirits of those dead in Christ return with Jesus to receive their their resurrected bodies 1 Thess 4:14-16
Jesus does not return on a white horse
For the Church only (those in Christ) 1 Thess 4:14-17
A message of hope and comfort 1 Thess 4:18, Titus 2:13, 1 John 3:3

(Second Coming)
Jesus coming WITH His Church Col 3:4, Zech 14:5, Jude 14, Rev 19:14
Jesus' feet touch the earth Zech 14:4, Rev:11-21
Wicked are taken first, the righteous (Tribulation saints) are left behind.Matt 13:28-30
Purpose: To execute judgment on earth and set up His Kingdom Jude 14-15,Rev 19:11-21, Zech 14:3-4
WAR: Marriage is followed by war on earth at the 2nd coming
Slow coming, people will see Him come back.Zech 12:10 Matt 24:30, Rev 1:7
Every eye will see Him Rev. 1:7
No shout mentioned Rev. 19:11-21
No resurrection mentioned Rev 1:7, 19:11-21, Zech 12:10, 14:4-5
Occurs at end of 7 years of Tribulation Dan 9:24-27Matt 24:29-30, 2 Thess 2:3-8
Angels sent forth to gather people together for judgment Matt 13:39, 41, 49, 24:31, 25:31, 2 Thess 1:7-10
Christians return with Jesus in already resurrected bodies riding on white horses. Rev 19:11-21
Jesus returns on a white horse Rev 19:11
For redeemed Israel & Gentiles Rom 11:25-27, Matt 25:31-46
A message of judgment Joel 3:12-16, Rev 19:11-21, Mal 4:5

Chris:

Rapture of the church or rapture of the saints?

Chris:

Rapture of the church or rapture of the saints?

I'm sorry Rapture of the Church...

What happens (not to digress to another topic, but because of the last posts the question begs to be answered) if a person is saved and is not in the church?

Which church? Corinth, Thessalonian, are not there unsaved membered in the church, so will they go too?
In Corinth He is talking to the "beloved Brethren" in the church.
In Thess. He is talking to "brethren" in the church.
I believe He is talking to the "Saints" only. no not new orleans saints.